[theory] Anti-Spin

Cheers Meg Smile

I had this in mind since Play festival, I had to draw and write somthing about it before it explose inside my head Shocked

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Hope the english version is not full of mistakes Confused

I mean more than the french one.

I'm trying now antispin with two staffs like Olive, we've found some good tricks to play with Very Happy

quite stimulating for the brain. and keep practicing 5, 7 and 9 branches stars I wish I could find good traditionnal music with this beats to get synchronised and make a short video.

	mcp without a login a écrit:
	One thing I have been playing with is to do half a circle (with your arm) anti-spin and the other half as a isolation of one end of the staff. But you reverse the direction of the staff so that your arm continues on it's circle. You can do a lot with this sort of thing.

I think I see what you mean, is it the (greeeeat) trick you do on the video "play-doubles" at 1'00 ?? anyway, I got this one and it's so pleasant to do !! THANK YOU !!!!

Olive, Gé, Talaron, I couldn't take the time to read properly all your ideas you know why Surprised

... But I'm still full of antispin Twisted Evil

I'll be back in few weeks !!! Twisted Evil

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sooooo, no that's not quite what I mean... Thou that move obviously is very fun.

I mean like this:

http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7770

which gets you this:

http://www.homeofpoi.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7771

and your arm continues in a big circle!

(the wick isolation kinda unravels the anti-spin. so you can just keep going.)

And I think if you could do this in 3d it would be cool! And if you could rotate it so you got weird triangle petals... Confused

lovely idea Miss MCP Very Happy

... runs out to play !!

Nice one !! Very Happy

I whish I can find the time to try this, Olive, you'll have to help me a bit I think Wink

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very nice!
feels much better for the hand...
I made a 3d animation with it, but I have trouble with my webspace. anyone can help? (620kb)

sascha is working on a strange project: she plays antispin with small double sticks. one rotation inverted, the next normal. no fingerspins... Twisted Evil

@mcp: can I download "play-doubles"? Rolling Eyes

sorry, that was me Embarassed

(didn´t knew that it was possible to post without login..)

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@ge, yes of course you can download it...? It's in the video resources section of here: http://meghan.tepookatoys.com - I have lots of webspace... if ya need some... Smile

That was simians idea for the rotation reverse. I think there is a lot to be done with it thou. There is so much possibility when you start to consider the staffs center of rotation, and so much more when you decide to make pretty pictures too...

I´d love to have 1mb! how can I get it?

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	Olive a écrit:
	so to say it quicker, and according to your animation: - move the middle of the staff on a triangle, - one revolution of the staff by triangle side

not a full rotation but 240°. this makes 720° (2 rots) all in all...

	Citation:
	next question: There is a relation between the two latter, isn't it? At least to have a good looking geometrical pattern. I mean, I guess the overall pattern wouldn't look as good, if these two speeds are not in proportional relation to each others'

they are nearly same, but the size of the triangle is variated.

	Citation:
	it's easier to explain this in the Real world

I´m on your boat!

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	Imakokode a écrit:
	Nice one !! I whish I can find the time to try this, Olive, you'll have to help me a bit I think

Done

.. I just had a play with it tonight .. great stuff

thanks mcp, that brings fun...

the whole figur 45° rotated lookes more symmetric.

if I imagine the circle of the hand, I can seperate this circle in 4 quarters. 2 for the isolated phase and 2 for the antspin-phase
it´s fun play with the size of these "quarters" > long isolation, short antispin f.e.

with doubles, if one arm plays the figur 90° rotated you get a 4 leaf clover (and some luck o course!)

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ok, our webspace is working again (the pics and animations in this threat, too) Very Happy

watch this gif (620kb):
http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/halfclover.gif

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my play was more about linking this to "quater-time iso" .. ie 90° doubles iso
Loads of combos in sight Very Happy

Nice one again Gé, impressive animation

looks like a butterfly but itisn´t:

http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/fake.gif

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oooh'right Gé ... this time my jaw dropped on the floor Shocked

everytime better!! that's so great ! Very Happy

thanx Gé

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	gé a écrit:
	looks like a butterfly but itisn´t: http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/fake.gif

Is it really possible to do that ?! Shocked

Wow, THat is KICK ASS! I've been trying to do that for ages, but horizontally, I like this way much better, and plus, it might actually work!

Is there a non-anti-spin version too?

and what does it look like with the sticks seperated?

And with them at 3/4 points?

and and and and.... Very Happy

@ clifford: it is possible. but (as a fake) it has to be played very accurate to make it look like a butterfly.
start with both staffs together paralell on the wall plane, with both thumb-ends pointing in the same direction.
then you start to move your hands in a circle.
the next time the staffs a paralell, the thumb-end of the one staff is pointing in the same direction as the pinky-end of the other. at this moment both staffs change the direction.
allways change the direction, when staffs are paralell...
you don´t even need fingerspins for that.

I made a video with it, which will come soon on feuershow.de...

@mcp: both staffs change the direction, so I´ve got no idea to avoid antispin.
I hade some ideas about hyperspins, and antispin with the hand making more rotations than the staff:

http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/antispin_halfbeat.WMV
http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/hyperspin.WMV
http://www.firedancer.de/zbcms/content_download/misk/hyperspin_antispin.WMV

sorry for the strange format, I made the animations on my notebook and had nothing else but the microsoft-moviemaker ;(

regards,

gé

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Dernière édition par gé le 29/11/2005 à 22:23; édité 1 fois

the first number at the beginning of each row is the ammount of rotations the hand makes in relation to the (2nd) number of rotations of the head.
in the figurs to the left "the sive of the figur of the hand" is bigger in relation to "the lenght of the poi/staff" than in the figurs on the right side...

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Dernière édition par gé le 29/11/2005 à 9:20; édité 1 fois